Flurge Amy Poehler Hillary Clinton Saturday Night Live
Flurge Amy Poehler Hillary Clinton Saturday Night Live-Flurge is defined by the Urban Dictionary as followed:
A cross between flush and purge.”I flurged the wax from my ears.”
Flurge was used on Saturday Night Live by Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton in a sketch with Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin.
That’s all we have for now on Flurge Amy Poehler Hillary Clinton Saturday Night Live.
peep | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Palin (Tina Fey) said “Stop calling me a MILF”
Clinton (Amy Poehler) said “And stop calling me a FLIRJ, I looked it up on the internet and I don’t like it”
By the definition of MILF:
“Mother I’d Liketa F___”
FLIRJ means:
“First Lady I’d Rim J__”
PaulV | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
DOes not matter, Msnbc is campaigning for the Obama Team everyone knows that,
but it does not matter, if she has a agenda or not one thing for sure Obama does not have one, and he has less experience than than Palin,
Obama is riding on the bubba Vote, just like Dick Armie meet the press,
Obama getting the BUbba vote, in other words black people and many others are going to vote for Obama no matter what, even tho he has no agenda,
and he wants more, of the same voter, Obama wants any vote he can get, 75% bubba Voter,
Me I feel the same way, THey should be able to vote for everyone they want,
it their right,
I Voted Hillary , but now McCain,
Now I am Voting strictly for Palin,
A woman , Pretty , Sexy, more experience than Obama ,
I am hot for Teacher,
If we can train and give Obama on the job Training just like Joe Biden said, then we can train
A woman who looks HOT,
And on the other subject, Bias
Media, Fox is Favors to the right but over all THe balance is very fair, I never use to watch Fox every until this elec
Does anyone in here really believe, in this Kieth Oberman insanity,
His days are numbers on Msnbc, Bias,, then he got upset, during the republican convention, when they showed, 911, footage,
But Msnbc thru is his face, and then 09/11/08 Msnbc did show mostly the same footage McCain showed,
HMMMMM talk about throwing it in his face,
Now you know why they kicke them out of the coverage,
Now kieth Oberman, is going to sunday night Football,
Now he going to screw that up,,
TaLK ABOUT THE WORST NEW STATION EVER, LAST IN THE RATING UNLESS YOU ASK OBERMAN, LIKE oBAMA,
tion, Because CNN & Msnbc is on barack Obama Payroll,
They are upfront campaigning for the barack Obama Team, Obama TOld Last week CNN & Msnbc, to go after
Palin, they are on the Obama Payroll to change history,
anonymous | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
FLIRGE - First Lady I’d Rather Get Elected (as opposed to one you’d rather F***)
D | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Paul IV,
Your point would have had more intellectual appeal if your grammar was better, or your spelling correct.
MSNBC is certainly in leftist hands and I would also say that CNN has a left-leaning bias. However I think it is a very un-objective opinion to say that Fox is not equally biased as their competition. I am constantly exposed to Fox news at work and find it strongly biased toward the right.
Regardless though I think it is necessary for someone of a particular mindset to expose themselves to the biased propaganda of opposite persuasion because it will tell you more truth than the propaganda of your side. It is necessary for leftists to watch fox and right-wingers to watch msnbc to expose themselves to the ideas of the opposition. By exposing yourself to dissenting opinions you force yourself to defend your own. Dissention is a necessary facet of any successful democracy and I think you should pay more heed to what is said rather than turning a blind eye.
As for the so called ‘bubba vote’. I find that to be a statement mired in ignorance with an underlying theme of bigotry. I am certain that Obama enjoys a lot of support from blacks and that might just be because he is the candidate they can most easily identify with. Which I might add is exactly the same strategy employed by the McCain campaign by when he chose Palin as a running mate. Except that he was targeting a different (and larger) constituency. The choice of Palin was obvious and transparent pandering which made nearly all of his campaign’s previous criticisms of Obama not only obsolete but also very hypocritical.
Now they are trying to steal the mantle of change, which I would think impossible for an incumbent party with a platform not much different from the existing executive policies. Doesn’t anyone else find it strange that McCain, who has spent his entire campaign abandoning his maverick positions for established party doctrine, is attempting to claim change as his agenda?
TIG | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
In reality, Fox has MORE liberals working at their station than conservatives, D.
Contrary to your assertion, D, Fox IS balanced.
By that, it is simply meant the following: the NEWS persons deliver NEWS that is unbiased and the COMMENTATORS comment according to their views (which are well-known and not hidden for each commentator whether liberal OR conservative).
The issue of bias (as ANY person who has prepared him or herself to work in the news industry is aware) comes into play when the supposed NEWS persons don’t present NEWS, but instead present their biased feelings/beliefs as NEWS instead of stating up front they are delivering COMMENTARY (e.g. their own biased opinion).
That is why NBC is scraping to stay alive: they went all liberal COMMENTARY almost ALL of the time, yet they were LYING and saying it was NEWS. They began dying when the public stopped watching their worthless crapola in favor of HONEST news sources.
NOTE TO NBC: it also does no good to act like you fired liberal party hacks like Matthews and Olberman while giving them pay raises and simply moving them to a little different area of the network.
Lorsonline | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Go McCain. Hands down, the only choice. They are trying to dig up every time he even burped in the past to trash him–saying he cheated on his wife (like 30+ years ago) and took up with a rich heiress. Same people didn’t care if Clinton was getting ’serviced’ while IN the White House, while married, because they thought the economy was good. All of a sudden clinton followers so freaking moral. Give me a break. nobama gonna rob your pockets big time.
Taxman | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
“nobama gonna rob your pockets big time.”
Actually, King George already did, but you haven’t checked your account balance (the national debt) for awhile, so you haven’t noticed.
You probably have noticed that food and gas are more expensive, though. That’s because the dollar is sinking, in part because of our national debt.
Kathy | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I voted Hillary but Sarah Palin stands against everything I believe in and as Hillary has asked, I am now voting Obama. 8 years is enough. Who would want 4 more?! VOTE THEM OUT!!! No McCain! No Palin! And frankly, Palin is an embarrassment to all women…she can keep her church and not force it on my state, thank you!
Common Sense | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Wow. That is the dumbest statement ever.
I think I will hire Klan members and give them primetime shows, but since I will not censor anything I am clearly unbiased.
Dumb Dumb Dumb argument.
Maria | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I don’t think the Clinton followers are taking the moral stance on the above mentioned. I believe they are exposing just one of the MANY lies told by McCain and his camp. Yes, he did cheat on his wife and take up with the drug addict rich heiress. Ah, the drug addict who admitted a good portion of her wrong doing (writing prescriptions in other names…) and somehow escaped any legal action. Diplomatic passport from your husband must be nice. Or how about all of his campaign folks being hardcore lobbyists…the ones he swore to rid DC of?? Or defending Palin for only requesting earmarks while mayor…she has a CURRENT request for the next year as GOVERNOR. I don’t care to argue every point in the game, mainly because we’d be here forever. If you see fit to vote for Mc Cain, you deserve the country you’ll continue to live in for the next term. And quite honestly, I do not like Obama, I was a Hillary supporter, and not because she was a woman…but I will not vote McCain/Palin…that would be like cutting your nose off to spite your face. And that reminds me, take a look at ALL FOX news coverage of Hillary, and then tell me how balanced they are. I shudder to think of the future of this country when there are people out there who are willing to re elect Bush for a third term.
Joe | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Anyone who believes fos is fair and balanced, is either naive or a hard core right winger. Papa bear fair? Karl Rove balanced? Please spare me…
Joe | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Fox is the official press secretary of the bush administration… Or was that Tony Snow? I get confused. It hard to tell them apart.
Wrong | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
FLIRGE = FIRST LADY I’D GIVE an ENEMA to
j | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I cant believe this is happening…
Sarah Palin….???
She can not even look after her own kids and now she wants to look after the USA …
If McCain is elected, the world is so screwed because seriously, the guy is not well, and here is this second rate red-neck woman from Alaska who thinks she can do it all. No, you can not do it ALL as a woman. I have a five month old just like Sarah Palin, and I struggle with doing it ALL and she has a DS baby… who spends time with that baby??? Definately not her, she is too busy trying to run for VP. mmmm Gee what a fabulous role model for the USA…. Nice pick McCain….hahah
Peter | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I try to imagine a candidate as President representing me, representing all of us, in meetings with heads of state of other countries both friend and foe. I can imagine Obama in those meetings, I can imagine McCain, I can imagine Biden, but I cannot in any way imagine Sarah Palin.
After the past eight years we need the best and brightest in the highest office in the land. We need to have the best statesman as president. We need to have the most nuanced thinker guiding our industry and national goals. The choice is obvious, we need Barack Obama.
c | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
D -
nice to see someone with intelligence and a vocabulary posting here. I’m so tired of the rantings of bubbas (like the ‘milf’ lover - yes, sure, let’s elect someone because they are HOT) or those whose opinions are so unbalanced and uninformed that they think FOX isn’t right leaning. I guess the days of trying to make America a meritocracy are over -
Frogspond | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I would suggest you look up McCain’s voting record. Just google it. Then make your decision as to who you are voting for. Don’t buy bullsh!t, don’t buy the soundbites. Look for yourself.
McCain lied about supporting the troops. He voted against the Additional Funding For Veterans Amendment - S 2020 (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3692&can_id=53270) and the Health Care for Veterans Amendment - HR 2863 (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3643&can_id=53270). Then he didn’t even bother to show up to vote for or against the GI Bill this past May.
Added bonus: He voted against the amendment that would have made it illegal to price gouge for gas after a declared state of emergency. (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3704&can_id=53270) and he voted against the Corporate Financing of Terrorism Amendment (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3584&can_id=53270)
MD | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
j - are you kidding me? Apparently, it is ludicrous to imagine that someone, especially another woman and mother, can spend time with her children and be successful. I am a mother of a toddler and a child in Heaven. Our first son had a birth defect and died. That being said, there is no doubt from anyone of how much or living son is loved. Your answer to “who takes care of that child?” The parents do! And news flash, many families have two parents. That’s right, two. I know it is a foreign concept. Luckily, I have a wonderful husband who enjoys being a father and helps take care of OUR child. He manages a child-focused business, so his work hours are after school hours and Saturdays. We are striving to make our life and our child’s life better. So while I work in a full-time management position, while trying to complete my M.B.A., I am the primary caregiver to our child.
We are also very fortunate to have both of our mothers help watch our son, while I am in class and my husband is still at work. My mother is also willing to come to my house and entertain our son, while I study or write papers (in the same room, so I can be with him). Some people can manage doing more than one thing at a time and be successful at it. If you were to ask anyone who knows us, our child is a “momma’s boy” and who is loved more than life itself. My son and husband know they come first. And if you question that in the least… when you carry a (your first) child to term, especially one that has a fatal birth defect and will die shortly after birth. You hold your dying and dead child in your arms, bury that beautiful child, and then with all cruelty, your body doesn’t know that your child is dead and everything is quiet, it gives you a new perspective on life. Life is too short and your family and future children will always be the most important thing. Instead of criticizing someone else as a mother, try to live one day in her shoes.
I was undecided leaning towards Bob Barr, but all of this b.s. has helped me make my decision. McCain/Palin 2008
Palin/Jindal 2012
Gert | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I’m not sure we have much of a choice,but I am sure I don’t want Elmer Fudd and Rambo ruining the country for 4 more years. Bush and his cronies have helped themselves and their friends get richer and killed our middle class and the economy. I’m willing to take a chance with Obama–what’ve we got to lose but our homes and our jobs, oh yeah, that’s already happening; then there’s also all the lives we’ve lost and for what?!
Monica | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Funny how people ctitize Palin for not spending time with her kids but dont say the same about their dads… and of course if you have a baby with DS, i guess your life is over right???
Frankly a politican is a politican.. They say what they need to say to get elected… Maybe I am being negative about it but I am just going to vote for the less of two evils.
darthvader | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I thought the jokes in this skit were hilarious and fairly reflective of the two ladies. The only cheap shots were about Hillary’s cankles (very low blow) and Sarah’s supposed ingnorance of the Bush doctrine (which one?).
anonymous | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
the bubba vote is the white racist vote. ever heard of a black guy called bubba? No, and you never will because “bubba vote” refers to those whites who won’t vote for a black candidate just because they’re racist.
get your facts straight. oh yeah, that’s right. you’re a rabid conservative you don’t need to worry about facts. you say lies over and over until YOU think they’re true.
Jenna | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Kathy,
We all have our own views and are entitled to them as Americans.
I like Sarah Palin and am glad that there is FINALLY a woman who MOST American women can agree with (Hillary could never be that one).
You wrote of Bush’s “8 years.” Well, this is his 8 years:
1) Enter the White House after Clinton left us with the Clinton/Gore RECESSION.
2) Within months attacked (9/11)
3) Begin the War on Terrorism
4) All liberals said we would lose jobs, but during Bush’s term, we have had the LOWEST unemployment rate in about 5 decades (we are now up a couple of points, yet you would think there is a real problem from all the LIES the liberals have spouted (can you say Olberman, the libs uber-hero?)
5) Katrina hit and you would’ve thouhgt the only one culpable was Bush…NOT so. The liberal liar of a mayor who wanted to make it a “chocolate town” didn’t do ANYTHING correct, but WTH, all he needed to do was blame Bush for his own (and his Governor’s errors)
6) More homeowners than EVER in the history of this great nation. (Yes, there are now issues with lenders - do you know what % of homeowners ACTUALLY are having issues? It’s between 2 and 4%. for those who do math, that means 96-98% of homeowners are doing alright…soounds like another “crisis” derived from liberal propaganda).
7) A recession is 2 OR MORE QUARTERS OF NEGATIVE GROWTH in our economy. Guess how many negative growth quarters we are up to?
…….NONE! That’s correct, NONE, so those notions of a recession are BS, basically.
If any liberal had that track record, the news media would be going crazy praising them, but since it’s Bush, they LIE and say it is a bad record.
History WILL vindicate President Bush, that is, as long as the history you read is accurate and truthful…watch and see.
Katie | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
When asked about Iraq, Palin said “I haven’t spent much time focused on that.” Right. And so why are we spending so much time focused on her?
Let’s move on. Obama ‘08.
Jenna | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
j, you sure act as though you know a lot about Ms Palin.
Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions or are you just a liberal hack?
andrew | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Jenna, that is hilarious. Got any more?
ekp | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
Jenna –
I think it’s nice that you have the decency to stand up for your father — while he will doubtless go down in history as one of the worst presidents of this great republic, he’s probably fun at holidays, right?
YellowDogBill | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
I am amazed at how Republicans try to turn the character thing around with McCain. Yes McCain is an adulterer. It’s not how we Democrats feel about Clinton, its how Republicans feel about Clinton. You can’t have it both ways.
YellowDogBill | Sep 14, 2008 | Reply
MD - I find it hard to believe you hadn’t already decided on McCain, by your signature gives it away. By the way, Palin doesn’t make McCain a better choice, fish still stinks after three days, no matter how much paper you wrap it in. Here’s some food for thought.
* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you’re “exotic, different.”
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you’re a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people with a balanced budget that you run into a $22 million debt, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, where you accept over $350 million of earmarks, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian. (Even though there is no religious test to be President.)
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian. (Again, there’s no religious test, but you’re still an adulterer.)
* If you teach children about sexual predators, you are irresponsible and eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.
* If your wife graduates from Harvard law and gives up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.
* If you’re husband is nicknamed “First Dude”, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that hates America and advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
Oh, let me add — If your wife was addicted to prescription drugs, went through some rehab in lieu of jail time (unconfirmed) and stole from her charity (confirmed) — well then you’re even better qualified to be President!
John McCain is an adulterer, Sarah Palin is the queen of earmarks.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden want to change the direction of our country.
Jesus Christ was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate
Kathy S. | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Many employers these days require a physical exam before giving you the job. Common practice. There is a group of doctors requesting McCain to make his health records public. We, the public, the Americans who are voting to give him the job for 4 years should be allowed access to McCain’s records to see if he will be physically fit to actually do the job for 4 years. This group of physicians is saying that he takes a lot of medication and he has had cancer and he has high cholesterol. If his cancer returns, he will have to be in treatment which will make him unable to do his job. We need to know the truth about McCain’s health. We have that right.
it says required | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
opps didn’t realize my entire name would appear
I dont like Sarah | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna
If things are so great than WHY do Sarah and McCain want to “shake up Washington” and CHANGE THINGS?
You need to read a newspaper or talk to one or two people at the corner coffee shop. Things are not so rosy.
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Many employers these days require a physical exam before giving you the job. Common practice. There is a group of doctors requesting McCain to make his health records public. We, the public, the Americans who are voting to give him the job for 4 years should be allowed access to McCain’s medical records to see if he will be physically fit to actually do the job for 4 years. This group of physicians is saying that he takes a lot of medication and he has had cancer and he has high cholesterol. If his cancer returns, he will have to be in treatment which will make him unable to do his job. We need to know the truth about McCain’s health.
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
JENNA
If everything is so great why do Palin and McCain want to CHANGE things? Why do they want to “shake up Washington?”
Bill O'Rights | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Lorsonline says
“–saying he cheated on his wife (like 30+ years ago) and took up with a rich heiress. ”
There’s a time limit on being a douchebag?
“Liberals” aren’t saying he cheated on his wife. HE DID! He cheated on his 40+ year old crippled wife with a 24/25 year old woman he met in a bar. He then dumped his wife to marry said woman.
Go read some newspapers if you don’t understand fact from your talking points. Or read JOHN MCCAIN’S OWN BOOK where he talks about what a rat bastard he is.
(And so what if Clinton also cheated on his wife…how does that excuse John McCain?)
A cheating douchebag is a cheating douchebag, regardless of party.
youtube.com/watch?v=tShJHUqSyWI
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
There is hope!
Just read that the largest crowd to ever assemble in the great state of Alaska happened today - it was Women Against Sarah Palin.
They DONT want her - go to the site to look at the photos of all the women with their signs “Bush in a skirt” “Sarah flip flops” “Voted for her once, Never again”
Look for: mudflats
mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/#comment-21325#comment-21342#comment-21353#comment-21426#comment-21919
Tara | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Katie,
Love your comment! I’d have to agree!! Obama ‘08!
Kathy,
You seriously need to get a clue. Your information is lacking. I suggest you get a library pass and bone up on your studying. Then maybe you might see the light of day.
PaulV & TIG,
Fox is totally right-sided. Just as MSNBC is totally left-sided and CNN is somewhat left-sided. Get it straight!
D,
Love your point that people should venture out to see other points of view. News Channel surfing is an idea I think everyone needs to embrace for us to ever come together.
Tricia | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
You’ve got to give it to the GOP, they know their demographic. They always had the GREEDY and were able to suck the OBLIVIOUS back in with one shiny object.
Anonyomous | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna-
OF COURSE there are more homeowners than ever nowadays-they purchased homes in the early 2000s, with every intention of selling them again someday, and when that day, TODAY, came, they COULD NOT sell their homes because NO ONE can afford to buy homes! They are stuck with these homes because no one can but them, NOT because they want them. Believe me, I know. I am living that right now. You really need to take a good look at your opinions before you publish them on the Internet. You are one of those people who can make Americans ashamed to live in the same country.
Anonyomous | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
OBAMA/BIDEN ‘08!
It’s time for change! During Bush’s second term, especially, he was generally disliked and often mad fun of for numerous reasons by the same people who put him in office! Now, those people who voted Bush ‘04 are going to vote McCain ‘08! WHY? McCain and Bush are of the same mold. Do you actually think, with McCain, our country will be better? When I look at Bush and McCain, I see the same person. It’s really time for change.
Dra | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Wow! Govenor Palin has no experience! She was govenor of a state that has a smaller population than the county I live in. During the time she was mayor she put the city of Wassila into a 25 million dollar debt. She’s an idiot, not because she’s a woman, but because she’s stupid! I’m not saying this to be mean, but come on, is this the person you want running the country when McCain drops dead? It’s not a race about vaginas and skin color, it’s about what’s best for the country.
KN | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Hello,
First, I want to applaud those who post here on the conservative side. It takes guts to speak up when you are in the minority. However, ranting does not help your cause. When your response is written, take advantage of the medium and organize your thoughts. A well presented set of arguments will more often be listened to. For those of you who have spelling and/or grammar problems like I have, write in word and then cut and paste.
Second, I have a few items that seem to be logical assumptions that I would like to put out there.
John McCain had the courage to stand up and say more troops are needed in Iraq. One of the strongest arguments against the war in Iraq (and there were many) was that “if you break it, you own it” - Colon Powell. We broke it, we own it. It is our responsibility to stay in Iraq until it is at least as strong as it was before we tore it apart. Even though I adamantly opposed the war with Iraq, it is a moral obligation and the right thing to do.
John McCain says he wants smaller government. This means reduced regulation and less enforcement of regulations. This means increased corporate corruption, economic crisis, and tax payer bailouts. Who reaps the rewards from this policy?
John McCain has a laundry list of ideas he wants to implement, but wants to further reduce taxes. Increase spending while reducing revenues does not work with a home budget or a federal budget. Is John McCain just another Credit Card Conservative who wants to run up debt and pass the “interest” to the general public in the form of a weak dollar?
Globally speaking, American politics has no communist party. It has no socialist party. Stating either of these leanings is political suicide. America now has politicians that have attacked other countries for no other reason than they want to, have suspend the hall marks of our democracy to protect it, and openly profess faith as a reason they should be in charge and there personal beliefs as being God inspired. American politics has a strong far right and little to no far left. What we call liberals (particularly those left of center) are in fact centrists.
I have often heard that liberals dream of creating a utopia that will never be. While this may or may not be true, it is equally true that conservatives dream of reverting back to a utopia that never was. Change is inevitable. Given this, whose stance is more realistic?
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Andrew and ekp,
I see you two have no logical abilities to deal with the truth and the facts, but that’s normal for you liberals, obviously.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
YellowBellyDog,
Here’s one to add to your list:
If you memorize the lies on the liberal blogs each day and spout it off everywhere you go as though it is truth and without being able to verify it, then you are a liberal hero (because, everything is relative…right? No ultimate truth exists…at least that is what your friends say, and you would hate to not fit in with the San Francisco freaks in Cali, right?)
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Kathy, do you remember John Kerry (your former hero) who wouldn’t make his health records public?)
-How easy you forget
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Ok, “I don’t,”
The shake up in Washington is needed because the Dems (or is that “dims”) (who have exclusively controlled BOTH houses of Congress for 2 years) have the LOWEST APPROVAL RATING IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA)
Yeah, I would say there is a LOT that needs to be changed in Washington DC
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Let’s see, Bill: when Slick Willy (ie Bill Clinton) was cheating IN THE OVAL OFFICE), y’all said it was nobody’s business.
Now things are different…can you say that you are a political hack? I knew you could!
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks, I don’t believe you liberals posting lies like “the largest crowd of women in Alaska” oppose Palin being posted on the Internet.
Let’s see, she has an 80% approval rating IN ALASKA, hence your assertion of more disliking her than agreeing with her is pure bs.
davo | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
There’s no point in using a library any more. Palin will ban the better books. Oh sure, not some of the ones on the circulated list… but some of them….
Maria | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Its like beating a dead horse. Hats off to the Republicans for staying with your candidate just because he’s in your party. Brainwashing anyone?
John | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jesus man, learn to type and talk! How can anyone take you seriously when your grammar is all over the place? Your vote is one of stupidity as you are retarded!
Cathy | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Did you hear that Obama just lost the lower class black vote? Yea, he promised them jobs, so now they’re not voting for him…
JLM | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
I’d rather risk having the turtle and the bulldog in the white house over someone who wants to get rid of company provided healthcare and take on national healthcare. It will put most of us in the poor house. News flash, some of our people can’t even afford the company provided healthcare, let alone dealing with the full cost of healthcare on their own! I have done alot of comparision to the promises they provide. They are all liars anyway, I just don’t like the negative things Obama wants to do to our country.
Copy and paste the link below to see what troops say about Obama.
youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
genius | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Palin is the Dan Quayle of this decade. Smarten up and learn from history and stop being a sheep.
Polar Bear | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
she hates my people
ahjdvm | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
KN- I commend your comments - the initial posts are good, but the quibbling on cheating is a little over the top. The fact is that we live in a very conservative country. So much so that many folks here call Britain socialist - remember the two parties there are actually called conservative and liberal (which really represent each side) - yes, and by the way, it is a free market society. I believe all the candidates want what’s best, but we have to decide what is best. The country has been run by, what most of the world would consider, far right conservatives for a very long time. It hopefully is time for us to get back to reality and realize the world has evolved and moved on without us, we need to move to the center, socially, economically and politically to exist.
Daoud | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Barack Obama is a flippin’ idiot!
He has never even held a real job not to mention he is completely unqualified to be president… Geez, where is Jesse when ya need him?
Run Jesse Run!
MML | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
You have got to be kidding me right? All of a sudden radical conservatives are complaining about MSNBC after the last 8 years of FAUX News? (That woudl be FOX, Paul, in case you didn’t get it.)
How does a woman who was a mayor of a town of 8000 in the middle of nowhere and a short-term governor have more experience than someone with years in the Illinois State Legislature and three years of experience as a U.S. Senator? Other than Canada & Mexico , what foreign experience does she have? And it doesn’t matter how close Alaska is to Russia, that does not count.
You can’t write too well, but if you can read better than you can write, maybe you should read, “The Audacity of Hope.” It outlines very clearly what Sen. Obama would like to accomplish as president. And it has nothing to do with teaching creationism in the schools, banning books, or impeding Americans’ personal freedoms. Maybe that wouldn’t appeal to you. And what the hell does someone’s appearance have to do with their ability to lead?!?! Hot for Teacher? Go back to you room in your mom’s basement and leave politics to people who can defend their positions.
kiki | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
sarah palin is a total douchebag
Blacmange | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
FLIRGE = First Lady I’d Rather Get Elected (than have sex with).
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Anonyomous,
Actually, people buy homes TO LIVE IN, NOT to resale, Anonymous…Doh!
In REALITY, the value of homes rose FAR faster under Bush than it EVER did under the liberals you worship (Clinton, Carter and other assorted looney tunes).
There HAS been a “correction,” in the market (everybody who knows ANYTHING about markets is aware of this because it happens regularly in EVERY TYPE of market). A correction is where the value of homes rose significantly, then it settles back to a lower amount (NOTE: the value has STILL increased as it always should from the years before, unless in foolishness, the person bought the home at the TOP of the price range which is poor common sense in choosing a home. Those who research beforehand rarely have this problem).
You, like so many other greedy people are apparently not willing to take the substantial increase in value for your home that your home has incurred over the last number of years (or you bought at the highest price because you didn’t educate yourself about the market first)…you want more than your home is worth, obviously (and it STILL has gone up in value under Bush’s presidency).
Now, which of us is as you wrote: “one of those people who can make Americans ashamed to live in the same country”?
Is it you because you didn’t take the time to research before you jumped into a huge commitment of me because I stated the FACTS?
Those who desire truth know it is you.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Anonyomous, I find it interesting that you want to vote for Biden and you actually talk about Pres Bush’s “low” approval ratings.
The Dems have controlled Congress for years now and Biden is ONE OF THEM.
How high is the Democratic Congress’s approval rating?
(HINT: It is the LOWEST IN OUR NATION’S HISTORY - SINCE THE DEMS TOOK CONTROL. Furthermore, it is about 1/2 OF PRES BUSH’s Approval rating).
Dem’s da facts
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Dra, why are you lying about Ms Palin?
She has FAR more executive experience than Obama.
She did NOT put Wasilla into debt during her Mayoral term (the PEOPLE CHOOSE on the ballot to vote for an initiative to fund infrastructure - I believe there was a arena or something like that built, BUT the VOTERS voted to do that, and they CHOSE to raise sales tax, I believe it was to pay for it).
For a non-American, you seem ready to open your yap about things that are none of your business. At least get the facts right next time then you won’t get slapped down with the facts as you did here.
Bill | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna, you go girl. The Democrats can’t face the facts. if they do, then they find out they re just as much at fault as the Republicans. And they’ve done NOTHING to try to help the middle class.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
KN, You have got to be kidding! At least you gave me a good laugh with the stuff you posted!
Iraq was NOT “strong” before, unless you consider a tyrant who murdered at least hundreds of thousands (and possibly a million) of his countrymen, women and kids.
Last week we handed over the MOST DANGEROUS area to the control of the Iraqi government…this war is all but over THAT is why Bush is now withdrawing troops.
Secondly, reduced government does NOT equal more corruption, as you stated.
You either don’t know the facts about McCain or you don’t care about the facts. The FACT is that by cutting the pork given out by the Federal gov’t, our national debt will drop (McCain is the ONLY presidential candidate who ACTUALLY has a proven track record of opposing pork).
The Democrats have been taken over by American Socialists and they have gotten their poster child chosen as a presidential candidate. THAT is why Obama doesn’t want people to know that he adores income redistribution (a Socialist action). (You are correct, in that, if the people understand that is what he wants, it will be “political suicide,” thank God!)
The far left (socialists/Communists) are Obama’s homeboys. It is a laugh that you think there is no far left here…The left in America has NO relation to the center, the left are far looney tune whack jobs. They are so far out there, they can’t even see the center.
America has been and is the superpower for around 200 years and during that WHOLE time, it has been a conservative nation. With each step we take towards liberalism, we lose our place as leaders of the free world.
Facts are facts.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
davo, you wrote about “banned books,” but you can’t name ONE that Palin banned because she didn’t!
That tripe is internet liberal blog crapola (ie - it is a lie!)
Jenna Fan | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna- You are my hero. I’ve been reading your responses and I am very impressed. The left appears to have nothing but hatred and hypocrisy to stand on. Their illogical stances will make our fight east in November. Keep up the fight.
Jenna Fan | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Of course I meant “easy” in November, but you all already knew that. There are a lot of us out here, silently raising our families and teaching values/morals & responsibility/accountability to our kids…we already know who we have to vote for.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
MML, the news trackers that study biases agree that MSNBC bit the liberal big one (THAT is why they “fired Olberman and Matthews) and during the conventions, even a Dem leader (I believe it was Rendell) said Fox was t he fairest at reporting news.
A little education for you on executive leadership: the executive branch of government leads the military (ie - the law enforcers). The President is at the TOP of the executive branch.
Obama NEVER HAD ANY executive experience/leadership. Almost ALL of Palin’s experience has been executive. Therefore, she has FAR more executive (ie - president type) experience than Obama does.
As to foreign experience that you mentioned, Obama has none, other than he visited his father who ran off to other countries and visited his half brothers and sisters that his father spawned all over the globe. That being the fact, you have nothing to down Palin for (and McCain has FAAAAAAAAAAAAR more foreign experience than Obama.
Joe | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Hey Jenna,
So what is your ruling on whether we can talk about a politician’s extramarital affairs? If you thinks it’s off-limits, then stop bringing up Clinton. If you think it’s fair game, then please allow us to put out the facts about how John McCain cheated in his first wife. So what if it was a few years back. Does your definition of immorality have an expiration date? And is cheating allowed depending on your job?
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Thank you so much for the encouragement, Jenna Fan.
Just keep searching for the truth and it will set us all free (even the libs need to be “set free,” the problem is that they don’t even realize the bondage they are in due to their own nature as well as their wrong beliefs).
I am thankful that I have known people who have taught me these facts and how to distinguish the truth from the lies (that requires being able to locate the details and actually looking them up to make sure I am accurate in what I am posting about).
I have been blessed to have people help me to learn truth. (It also requires us to believe in ultimate truth is our foundation for all of our beliefs).
There is actual truth out there for us to discover and stand strong in and on!
Mike G | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Maybe you should vote for someone who wants to improve public education??
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
you ought to be ashamed
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
JENNA: you posted: I don’t believe you liberals posting lies like “the largest crowd of women in Alaska” oppose Palin being posted on the Internet.
Then you write: Check the facts
Well, maybe you ought to check the facts Jenna. I gave you the website.
The fact is, when Sarah Palin returned to Alaska 1200 women stood with homemade signs saying “I voted for her once, NEVER AGAIN” and “Bush in Pants” THEY ARE SAYING THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR HER
It is not a lie, there are PHOTOS and a video at the website I gave you.
All Repubicans ever do is call Democrats names, refuse to listen with an open mind and say “oh that’s a lie”
Do you Jenna, ever stop to look and listen? Or do you just quickly reply with an insult or name calling?
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
I watched an interview with Sarah Palin over the weekend. Palin said “I did not fire a state trooper, he still has his job” Sarah Palin KNOWS noone said she fired the state trooper, she fired his BOSS. SHE LIED (and she lied well) right on national television.
Can you explain that one away?
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Did you see the photo of Sarah Palin at college with the tee shirt that says:
I may be broke - But I’m not flat busted
nice
must make a parent proud, huh?
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
she didn’t ban the books - but she tried. That is documented too. And I actually called the Wasilla Library because I wanted to find out for myself.
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Isn’t is curious that “The Elite Six”
(that is what Sarah Palin and her 5 closest friends call eachother)
when interviewed, only ONE of Sarah Palin’s friends said she was going to vote for McCain/Palin. The others said they would watch the debates then decide.
How odd - how would YOUR CLOSEST FRIENDS vote if YOU were runing for President?
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
I am a Democrat, but I do have an open mind. I watched Gore win the election in 2000. We all know that he won. But, the court gave the presidency to George W. Bush.
Bush said he was a UNITER - not a divider.
When we were attacked on 9/11 I saw ALL Americans come together. We all supported Bush. We rallied together. That SHOWS that Democrats are open-minded, the rallied around Bush. We all came together. But then Bush started the Iraq War.
Americans stood in the streets against that war. Bush’s administrtion led us to believe that Iraq was “connected” to 9/11 and they led us to believe there were weapons of mass destrution. Then, many years and many lives later Chaney said: WE NEVER SAID IRAQ HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!
and there were no weapons of mass destruction.
SO, was it for the oil? or was it revenge?
Well, we didn’t get the oil, China did.
So, I hope we didn’t loose over 4000 American boys for the oil.
At the end of his Presidency, it turns out Bush is NOT a Uniter, but a Supream DIVIDER.
He has divided the country and he has divided families.
Republican hate Democrats.
Repulicans call Democrats names.
Republicans will never discuss the issues or the plan - they just say “you’re a liar” or
“The news media is biased”
Bush has divided the country and Sarah Palin will embarrass the entire nation if she becomes President. Sarah Palin in her bikini. Sarah Palin in her “Im not flat busted t-shirt” Do we really want to give the honor of the highest job in the country to Sarah Palin?
McCAin made a big mistake.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Joe, obviously extramarital affairs are wrong. they break up families; they hurt people severely.
As I stated, it is wrong also for you all who said Clinton’s cigar tricks in the Oval Office are off limits and not for public approval or disapproval to then go on and whine about McCain’s indiscretions.
I will say there is a HUGE difference between the characters of the two men we are discussing: Slick Willy (ie - Bill Clinton) never evidenced true sorrow for his actions (at least not without being strong-armed by those who caught him in the act and forced him to discuss it…and to anybody honestly evaluating it, Clinton wasn’t showing honest repentance, no, he was like the kid caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar…he HAD to say he was sorry whether he was or not).
The other character in the play (McCain) took a big chance and came clean on national TV at Rick Warren’s interview answering that his biggest failure was that of his first marriage. McCain then went further and stated that he takes responsibility for it all upon himself (Clinton “never had sex with that woman,” but McCain took responsibility without being forced to do so.
Two different men and two VERY different manners of dealing with personal failure.
Lastly, McCain’s situation was NOT “a few years back,” Joe, it was a few DECADES back and it was also not so long after McCain had been released from being a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton (heck, McCain had been a prisoner longer than he had been married to his first wife, if I am not mistaken).
Joe, have you ever heard PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder)? I can almost guarantee you McCain was dealing with some severe mental distress after being freed from 5 years of imprisonment and daily beatings/mental torture.
Not many people live through that stress let alone avoid divorce afterwards. (Be aware that McCain was so harmed that he attempted at one point to take his life while in prison…yes, he was definitely harmed and it took years for him to recover).
Maria | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Ah, I love how hypocritical some of these posts are. “Democrats can’t face the facts”…hmm, sounds oddly familiar. Its funny that people are going to waste their time, everyone feels they’re superior and are going to show the light. Like I said, its like beating a dead horse, and hats off to the Republicans on here…I hope you can sleep soundly at night knowing this country is potentially about to endure four more years.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks, did you even bother to read the rest of my post that you took a few words from?
Let me review: the FACT is that at the present, Sarah Palin has an 80% approval rating by the voters in Alaska (that is 8 out of 10 approve of her leadership…ONLY 2 out of 10 do not approve of her).
Assuming women make up about 50% of the population, that means that EVEN IF EVERY man in Alaska approved of her, STILL more than 1/2 of all Alaskan women also approve of her as a leader.
According to http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/02000.html, Alaska had a population of 670,053 in 2006 (there are likely more people there today).
You said 1200 women protested Palin recently, right. I don’t know if that is true, but even if it is, that is true, the percentage of women in Alaska at that “protest” of Palin was 670,053/2 (we split it in half top approxiamte the number of women vs men in Alaska) this gives us 335026.5 women in Alaska.
Now, we divide your number of protestors by the number of Alaskan women and we get 1200/335026.5=less than .004 that is LESS than .4% of women (ie - far less than 1/2 of 1 percent). In money terms, it would take almost three times the number of women at your “protest” to equal a penny, if we imagined all Alaskan women to be 100 pennies (I use money because often people understand that better in math, but this is such an incredibly small number that it is statistically irrelevant as opposition to Palin in Alaska).
Now, the issue is worse for you if you say 1200 Alaskans were there protesting because that would make the number of protestors 1/2 as much (remember a minute ago we took 1/2 of the population out as an approximation of the number of Alaskan men?
It seems that the numbers you are making hay about are more like a needle in a haystack compared to those who didn’t even bother to show up!
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks, BTW, I will say that I rarely believe what liberal bloggers post because they lie such a HUGE percentage of the time. Their theme is throw any lie out there and if something “sticks” (ie - if somebody is actually dumb enough to take us liberal bloggers at our word) “then we have won a battle in our goal of deception.”
Call me crazy, but I don’t trust known liars such as liberal bloggers.
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna
Are you sure he is fit to be the President after the PTSD?
Quite honestly, do we really want a president who has indured 5 years of imprisonment and daily beatings/mental torture.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks, John McCain has had MANY years to recover from whatever he suffered from as a result of the torture.
PTSD is very treatable and he has had a very stable marriage for decades now and has raised numerous healthy children (these last two things are GREAT signs of his recovery).
I believe VERY strongly that a man who endured torture and came out the other side well-adjusted is the absolute BEST person we could possibly choose to lead our military (remember, the President is the chief of the Executive Branch of our government - that means he is the top person overseeing our military/defense/protection of America).
Believe it or not, I don’t agree with everything McCain believes, but Obama would virtually DESTROY our wonderful country (unless somebody controlled him and taught him a few million things)
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna: I was talking about Wasilla. Do the math using the population of Wasilla
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
I heard Sarah Palin talk about going to war with Russia. I worry about her becoming the person who oversees our military/defense/protection of America
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
oh, and John McCain’s marriage is great except for the time his wife Cindy stole drugs from the charity she worked for. But, she said it’s only because she was a drug addict at the time. And then there’s the time he called her the “C” word in front of reporters. So, besides that….
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks, in my first reply to you, I somehow jumbled a few words on the 5th paragraph, so I will rewrite it more understandably here:
“You said 1200 women protested Palin recently, right? I don’t know if that is true, but even if it is, the percentage of women in Alaska at that “protest” of Palin would be 670,053/2 (we split it in half to approximate the number of women vs men in Alaska) this gives us 335026.5 women in Alaska.”
That is better, now put that together with the rest of my post a few posts above this and you get my point more accurately.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna: I was talking about Wasilla. Do the math using the population of Wasilla”
One problem with doing it that way, ks, Palin Governs the WHOLE state of Alaska, NOT just the town of Wasilla.
My calculations stand.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
I heard Sarah Palin talk about going to war with Russia. I worry about her becoming the person who oversees our military/defense/protection of America”
Ok, that’s nice, ks, I also heard Obama talk about going to war with Pakistan, that is meaningless without a quote.
There is not a single President or candidate for President who hasn’t spoke about war at some time, so writing that you “heard her talk about war” is irrelevant unless you can point to a SPECIFIC issue from one or more of her quotes that is an issue, got it?
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
oh, and John McCain’s marriage is great except for the time his wife Cindy stole drugs from the charity she worked for. But, she said it’s only because she was a drug addict at the time. And then there’s the time he called her the “C” word in front of reporters. So, besides that….”
When did these events happen, ks? (Do you even know?)
Or did they even happen at all? (You don’t know, of course).
What liberal blog did you read them on? (remember lib blogs are choc full ‘o lies)
Have YOU ever called anybody a bad name? (of course you have)
Now, have YOU EVER had an issue like PTSD to work through? (I would bet you haven’t).
I’m sure it took John some years to work through his issues left over from being a hero/prisoner and he probably said many things to people because that rage takes a while to deal with.
Now, as to Mrs McCain, do I need to walk you through the TONS of people on the liberal whacky left (that would be your cohort) who have been or still are drug addicted?
It seems that 20 years ago, Mrs McCain had 2 back surgeries and was given two VERY addictive painkillers (a sad, but very common thing back then). Sadly, like so many thousands of people, she became addicted to the powerful drugs.
Since Mrs McCain had for years been using her great fortune to set up free medical help for people all around the world, she had access to some drugs and it appears her addiction drove her to make some bad decisions and take some drugs for her newly acquired habit.
So, in her attempt to help others using her own money, she fell into the drug trap because of the crappy drugs she was prescribed and got hooked on. Unlike many others, she confessed to the problem and has been drug free for 20 years. (If this was a Hollywood flaky actor, you would be praising him/her, I bet!)
(BTW - Note that she signed a prenup with John McCain separating their assets at marriage…she is the “rich one” of the family because of her inheritance)
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Did you see the photo of Sarah Palin at college with the tee shirt that says:
I may be broke - But I’m not flat busted
nice
must make a parent proud, huh?”
Well, ks, was she flat? Was it a lie?
Have you ever worn anything to show your “assets” off to a guy or somebody else?
In college, huh? That would be about 20 years ago for Mrs Palin…have you done anything wrong in the last 20 years, ks?
She has grown up: she stated she wears the hair, etc to take attention away from her “features” (that is MY word, BTW).
She has matured and isn’t stuck on herself.
I think that is VERY respectable!
Ryan | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Yes, MSNBC (Olbermann et al.) has a very progressive point of view. The difference between Olbermann and the Fox crew is that the latter frequently lie, intentionally mislead and misrepresent matters, and very frequently articulate double standards. All of these things are documented on a regular basis by Olbermann and others. A recent example of Bill O’Reilly’s two-facedness was shown on, I believe, the Daily Show, when back-to-back clips were shown of O’Reilly defending Sarah Palin’s teenage, unmarried, pregnant daughter and defending Palin herself as dealing properly with a completely personal matter, and on the other hand, pompously blaming Jamie Lynn Spears’s parents for having a, um, teenage, unmarried, pregnant, daughter. And then there was the spectacle of one of Fox’s “news” people (a woman — I’m sorry, I don’t know her name) suggesting that the fist bump that Barack Obama gave his wife after a speech was a terrorist (!) sign. Now, you may not like Olbermann’s politics, and that’s certainly your right — and whether you do or not, you certainly are advised to consider his and his associates’ political leanings when watching or listening to them. But I don’t think that anyone can demonstrate that any of the MSNBC crew have engaged in the kind of shoddy second-rate pseudo-journalism that Fox engages in on a regular basis.
Oh, BTW, I thought that PaulIV’s bit was a brilliant piece of open verse, done intentionally to sound like a cretin.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
she didn’t ban the books - but she tried. That is documented too. And I actually called the Wasilla Library because I wanted to find out for myself.”
It is documented, ks? …Mind telling us where?
According to my research, she ASKED a librarian IF they would consider pulling some books (I need to double check that, though).
Now, I can tell you that liberals have tried to ban books MANY times (especially Christian books, beginning with the Bible in venues such as libraries…is that ok with you, ks?)
Let me give you a scenario that plays out regularly in libraries across the USA: a child goes to his/her school library and finds a book that tells him or her about sex between two men (heck, or even sex between a man and a woman).
When the parents of kids at that school say it shouldn’t be in the library, liberals moan, saying that is censorship.
Of course it is: and censorship is a VERY good and ESSENTIAL thing under certain circumstances (small elementary kids have NO need for that book in their library - THAT is common sense, but liberals have very little in common with sense).
Before screaming “censorship,” ks, think: if you have kids, would you allow them to browse through explicit porn sites on the Internet? If not, then YOU are being a censor, but it is appropriate censorship.
So remember, you need to give DETAILS about what stuff you think Mrs Palin thought was innapropriate before spouting off about “banning” books as if it is always wrong to do!
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
I am a Democrat, but I do have an open mind. I watched Gore win the election in 2000. We all know that he won. But, the court gave the presidency to George W. Bush.”
Really? Can you tell us HOW the President is elected, ks?
I will summarize, so you can understand: we each vote, but THAT does NOT elect the President.
No, that is why we have the Electoral College (a group of people who represent us and cast the ACTUAL votes for President).
The problem is that ya’ll think we live in a true Democracy, but we don’t…never have in the USA.
Nope, America has ALWAYS been a Representative Democracy (hence the words Republican and Democrat). Also, ALL of the people agreed to this from the beginning: we elect people to represent us at ALL levels (such as City Councils, Mayors, Governors, Senators, President, etc).
NONE of us vote on every issue (we would NEVER get anything done in a true democracy).
So, if you understood the process of election, you could NEVER say with a straight face that Gore won because the popular vote is NOT what elects the president. (BTW - there has been more than one instance of a US President being elected without winning the popular vote…it helps to study history some, ks).
ks wrote:
“Bush said he was a UNITER - not a divider.
When we were attacked on 9/11 I saw ALL Americans come together. We all supported Bush. We rallied together. That SHOWS that Democrats are open-minded, the rallied around Bush. We all came together. But then Bush started the Iraq War.”
Wrong again, ks!
How many of your liberal Dem friends in Congress voted for the War in Iraq? (Do you even know?)
I know only a VERY small percentage of liberals (out of the hundreds in Congress) voted against the Iraq War, so your assertion that Bush did something against all of those libs you love to “divide” Americans is a bad joke, at best and a lie at worst (I’m sure you read that lie on some liberal lie-filled website).
Actually, those liberals decided that they wanted to change AFTER they voted for the war, so they made Bush into a target for political purposes (and, sadly, those stupid enough to believe the liberals have taken the lie hook, line and sinker).
“Attack Bush” became their battlecry and for EVERYTHING that the libs thought they could make into an issue, they blamed our President.
So, you see, the TRUE dividers have ALWAYS been the nut-jobs on the left in dealing with Bush. Lie after lie after lie has been the mantra of the left “If we can lie and gain politically, since we have no morals, we will lie to our heart’s content”…Oh, “and we will blame President Bush at the same time for everything.”
ks, it seems like you have run out of arguments and are just attacking without evidence. It’s best to regroup…you are coming unglued.
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
This is to make paragraph #12 in the above post to ks more readable:
“I know only a VERY small percentage of liberals (out of the hundreds in Congress) voted against the Iraq War, so your assertion that Bush did something against all of those libs you love, just so he could “divide” Americans is a bad joke, at best and a lie at worst (I’m sure you read that lie on some liberal lie-filled website).”
Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Ryan, you prove by your writing that you don’t watch Fox enough to see them answer their critics (such as your O’Reilly example).
O’Reilly the next night showed how your heroes on the Daily Show lied, but you don’t care about that. No, instead you take the word of “comedians” as being true on the face-value (remember, they are doing comedy, NOT NEWS reporting. Comedians distort to MAKE things more funny…don’t you get that?)
Anybody can splice video clips together to make a person appear to say what they did not. John Stewart does that ALL of the time!
You see, the problem arises from you libs taking Stewart as if he is a real news reporter and not just the mere comedian that he is. (A recent poll showed that a LOT of liberals actually think they are getting true news via the Daily Show…wake up…it is ONLY comedy!)
Jenna's GOOD Twin | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Wow! I started reading this thread and couldn’t stop. How great is it that we actually have this opportunity to debate the issues.
Unfortunately the previous posts are higher in character assaults and childish mud slinging than mature debate on issues and philosophies.
Up front, I’m fairly liberal, but don’t just slurp any progressive Kool-Aid that comes along.
Someone stated it previously, and I quickly wanted to agree that it’s difficult to find unbiased news. CNN does the best, but they do lean to the left a bit in the way that they trip over themselves to not offend, which is anti-Republican by nature. MSNBC is very liberal and Fox News is ridiculously “conservative”. MSNBC wins the war though as Scarborough is much more compelling than Colmes, who gets bent over daily by “Hatridy”. I quoted conservative because the word connotates something quite different that what I’ve experienced in my 28 years. Olbermann is over the top at times, but at least he reports on things I care about and has the balls to scream at the top of his lungs when he perceives TRUE injustice. Like corporate and gov’t corruption and exploitation. I’ve tried to stay a bit balanced and check out the Noise (Fox Noise that is), and I’ve found quality programming at times, but O’Reilly and Hannity make me sick usually. They personify to the extreme the problems I have with many Republicans. Anti-everything, high-schoolish attacks, and complete spinelessness when being confronted with an opposing philosophy, refusing to debate at all… While many on both sides fail to do their homework, I find it to be a direr situation on the Right. I’m sure I’ll be ridiculed by some as an over-analytical or some other non-sense, but I try to shoot straight.
Onward… I’ll likely be voting for Obama, but will be proud to be an American if McCain wins fair and square*, and would’ve been prouder if Dubya hadn’t slimed him in 2000. * - I’m looking at you Jeb. I’ll be quite unenthusiastic about participating in country that thinks we should outsource our gov’t to profit driven corporations that rarely answer to anyone and scapegoat constantly. McCain is smarter than most of us and proved it by choosing the Governor of Alaska to be his running mate. While I disagree with her on multiple fronts** and will be terrified if Palin has to step in, she did energize his campaign and his possible supporters. ** - Go Science and Education! Last I checked they’d contributed more in the past couple hundred years than all these imaginary gods people are constantly deferring decisions to. **continued – is abortion really the biggest issue of our time? Last I checked we had much bigger issues concerning the 6+ billion people that are already here, and anyone who has 5 kids is an insult to common sense. It’s called overpopulation, greed, gluttony, and ignorant disregard for your neighbors around the world (and I can appreciate unique names, but did she name all her kids in 7th grade?). Sorry I had to take one shot
Finally on Palin, people point out how the conversation comparing Obama and Palin is taking Obama off his game and making McCain look better, and I agree for the most part. However, what I haven’t heard brought up as much is the cause for the effect. McCain’s health and well-being are in question and while politically Palin seems to be a great choice, in reality she’s a huge risk in all arenas. She does have more executive experience than Obama, but it’s like comparing the head coach of a High School football team with the Offensive Coordinator of an NFL team.
Jenna’s got like 45 posts (must work for the campaign, or be getting a free ride on the ‘rents to have so much time) so I’ll try to give my thoughts on a few.
You wrote of Bush’s “8 years.” Well, this is his 8 years:
1) Enter the White House after Clinton left us with the Clinton/Gore RECESSION.
If memory serves, Dubya had a record budget surplus he could’ve used to forestall said recession, but instead started handing it out like he was H.W. on “Coke day” back in college.
2) Within months attacked (9/11)
I’m baffled as to how anyone except Dubya can have that blood on his hands. His F_CKING FATHER was the President once, so much for Republicans being the party of “Defense”.
3) Begin the War on Terrorism
War on Terrorism is the scariest marketing term ever devised. Let’s create a vague blanket term that gives us carte blanche to strip away anyone’s rights and imprison and torture them indefinitely.
4) All liberals said we would lose jobs…..
Losing skilled jobs and gaining service jobs is a numbers scam. America has failed to evolve as fast as China and India because half the country doesn’t even think progress(evolution) is possible, and now we’re paying for it.
5) Katrina hit and you would’ve thouhgt the only one culpable was Bush…
Bush doesn’t take all the blame obviously, but it’s his dumbass faux-cowboy style leadership that’s stretched our resources thin and crippled our ability to get help where it’s needed. “You’re doing a great job Brownie”
6) More homeowners than EVER in the history of this great nation….
Your percentages reek of more statistical manipulation. Homeowner is another marketing term to make people warm and fuzzy about being owned by someone. Feudalism is alive and well, how bout calling it what it is – mortgage owners.
7) A recession is 2 OR MORE QUARTERS OF NEGATIVE GROWTH in our economy….
I’m not an economist and I doubt you are either, as this sounds like a one-liner from the Rush Limbaugh show sponsored by OxyContin. Last I checked some of the biggest pillars of our economy were crumbling…
—“There HAS been a “correction,” in the market (everybody who knows ANYTHING about markets is aware”
Sorry I’ve got a full-time job like most people, and don’t really have the time to be a real estate agent / economist / historian on the side. A large number of the people in foreclosures brought it on themselves and should’ve known better, but another large number were duped. I don’t expect the gov’t to hand out free money to fools, but I do expect them to enforce so morals and fairness. Free market capitalism has brought us many great things, but without accountability and oversight it leaves a wake of destruction.
—-“ Iraq was NOT “strong” before….”
We agree! Iraq wasn’t strong, it was just one of many places where bad things were happening. Face facts, we were attacked by Saudis and Afghanis, and now we look like bumbling, incompetent fools for shooting the wrong bad guy and letting the REAL bad guy get away.
—-Random pork comments…
We almost agree. I love McCain for this. The useless pork that fills so many bills disgusts me. Unfortunately McCain’s idea of pork is a bit far reaching at times. Science isn’t pork. Veterans aren’t pork. Public financing IS pork. Then again I’ve heard that most of the “pork” constitutes a very small part of the overall budget. I was disappointed when Obama turned his back on “Public Financing” for… well… PUBLIC FINANCING. There should be NO money in politics. I know it’ll never happen, but that’s no reason to let it go on this way. If politicians want to be on TV, get up on a stage, LIVE and debate, converse, but not smear from a distance.
—“… reduced government does NOT equal more corruption”
Not always, but far too often to be disregarded as you have done.
—“McCain has FAAAAAAAAAAAAR more foreign experience than Obama.”
Maybe a bit too many As in that, but you’re correct, sort of. Unfortunately “foreign experience” (I’m sure policy/relations was meant to be in there, otherwise Obama has McCain) doesn’t historically hinder/benefit presidents consistently. I’ll take Biden’s judgment, temperament, mentality, and wisdom over McCain’s hot-headed, outdated, bigoted, xenophobia. Give me a REAL generational change in philosophy and attitude over an evolved version of an old idea set.
—McCain made the tough choice on “The Surge”
Very true. Another reason I’m in awe of McCain’s many accomplishments. He may have single handedly saved Bush from going down in history as the Elmer Fudd who f’ed up the beginning of a new millennia. Unfortunately he was one of the many that failed to see we were going down the wrong path in the first place. I’ll take someone who makes the right decisions the first time around, rather than rush to action only to have twice as much work to do afterward.
In semi-conclusion…
when the Executive branch has never been more powerful, and the country has rarely been plunged into such a deep hole of partisanship and disarray. On a side note, leave Willy and Mickey alone with the adultery non-sense, it matters little, if at all, in the big picture.
The Democratically “controlled” Congress is unpopular and pretty ineffective, but I’m unsure how you can place much blame on a Congress that gained power 20 months ago (sounds like a familiar term
At my core I’m a conservative/libertarian by my interpretation, but in reality both are very selfish and delusional. I want the government to be as small as possible and to allow me as many freedoms as possible, but not at the expense of others or others children. If you want to make gov’t smaller and open up new markets legalize drugs. Of course we know that’ll never happen for reasons few can justify when compared to similar circumstances. Plus, we wouldn’t want to lose our status as the least tolerant industrialized civilization on the planet. Maybe Singapore will loan us caning to help cut down.
Trickle-down economics is a joke, “please sir can I have another”, grow a pair and tell McCain to donate 5 of those houses to some of the homeless vets he claims to give a sh!t about. I don’t want to tax people or companies to death, but when the average CEO is making 400 times what the average American is (which is 20 times the average of other industrial countries) there’s something wrong. Reward those who work hard proportionally, but rewarding “risk-takers” as McCain advocated in his RNC speech is dicey at best. If people / businesses want to take risks then that’s great, but by nature they’ll be rewarded handsomely or else they won’t be taking the risk. Common sense. I truly care about other people and that’s why I support Democrats usually. Even if they’re not completely truthful, at least they act like they care. I welcome the onslaught of detractors from this short novella that has erupted from me, but tried to make a point or be funny at least and not just spout paragraphs of hatred.
P. J. O’Rourke:
The Democrats are the party of government activism, the party that says government can make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed out of your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work, and then get elected and prove it.
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna
I said do the math using the population of
W A S I L L A
T H E Y W E R E I N W A S I L L A, JENNA
Might be hard to coordinate an afternoon protest state-wide, especially when the state is Alaska, Jenna
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
I said we all rallied around Bush.
We all came together and supported him.
and your reply: wrong again
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
it seems like you have run out of arguments, Jenna and are just attacking without evidence. It’s best to regroup…you are coming unglued.
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
it seems like you have run out of arguments, Jenna Bush and you are just attacking without evidence. It’s best to regroup…you are coming unglued.
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
it seems like you have run out of arguments, Jenna
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
you are just attacking, Jenna
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
you are coming unglued, Jenna
ks | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
what is the heart and the soul of The Republican Party going forward?
do you know, Jenna?
Ask Mitt Romney
Will you marry me Jenna | Sep 15, 2008 | Reply
Jenna,
I think I’ve fallen in love!
Sam | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
She said FLERG, meaning flaccid penis or foreskin. The joke is that Hillary’s old and wrinkly and about as attractive as one.
ks | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
Do you thnk we should have a president who understands economy? Especially after what happened yesterday?
ks | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
TO: will you marry me Jenna
You should probably know, Jenna is really a boy
Darren | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
I just wanted to point out a couple of things on this board.
1. There is a reason Fox News is number one and only 33% of the people who watch fox news identify themselves as a republican. It is the most fair and balanced news. The newscaster (most of them actually left leaning) do not show any bias. They also have commentators on both sides. This is why so many people think that they lean right because no other station has any representation from the right. The world is only used to the left in the traditional media.
2. The costs rising all center around fuel costs. Something needs to be done about this and this does not involve the government adding addition taxes to out full. We tried that in the seventies and it was a disaster. The government currently makes more per gallon the oil companies and the government is not drilling, barreling or refining. Also a strong reduction in spending needs to happen. Over the last few years spending has continued to go up. This is a problem on both sides. The congress has been under democratic control and the spending is now out of control however, Bush is letting these bills through and is not vetoing.
3. Sarah Palin does have a record. As a person from Chicago, I will let you know Barack Obama does not have an equivalent record. Palin has stood up strong for her state cut spending, not just projected spending… she actually reduced the current spending. She cleaned up her own party. She is head of a state that has 1/5 of the nations energy. That is no small undertaking. It is also a sad sign that Barack Obama has to compare himself to the bottom of the McCain Palin ticket.
Will you marry me Jenna | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
ks,
If Jenna is really a boy, I must must say that he should be referred to as a man since the comments added by Jenna are far more mature than those you’ve provided, ie your Wasilla demonstration comments. Besides, you have no idea what gender I am.
But I do see a pattern with your comments. You jump to conclusions before knowing any of the facts.
DT | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
First of all, I would like to say: ks - shut up!!! You are wasting everyone’s time with your ridiculous replies. Just face the facts that Jenna kicked your butt and that you have no intelligent comebacks for the points that she challenged you. Yes, I know that you were referring to the female population of Wasilla. Let it go!!!
Secondly, I would like to thank Jenna and Jenna’s Good Twin for some entertaining debating and reading. It is nice to see that there ARE some folks who lean to the left but who also agree with the right side of the aisle on certain issues, of course. And when they don’t agree they don’t start spewing a bunch meaningless nonsense.
star | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
Bubba Gump?
ks | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
Anytime a Republican tries to discuss politics they resort to name calling. Instead of having an intelligent discussion or actually listening to or discussing the issue, they attack the speaker (a fellow American who they don’t even know) and scream insults or call the other person “stupid.”
Jenna | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
Do you thnk we should have a president who understands economy? Especially after what happened yesterday?”
ks, if you understood our government, then you would know that the President oversees the Executive Branch (ie - the military and other services that protect us from harm).
The Congress is the “holder of the purse strings.” It is the Congress, NOT the President who oversees the money we pay in taxes as well as writing laws for the financial institutions in the USA.
Jenna | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
ks wrote:
“ks | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
TO: will you marry me Jenna
You should probably know, Jenna is really a boy”
ks, NOT true…I have never had a sex change!
How silly!
Jenna | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
Great post, Darren, that deserves a reprint (see below):
“Darren | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
I just wanted to point out a couple of things on this board.
1. There is a reason Fox News is number one and only 33% of the people who watch fox news identify themselves as a republican. It is the most fair and balanced news. The newscaster (most of them actually left leaning) do not show any bias. They also have commentators on both sides. This is why so many people think that they lean right because no other station has any representation from the right. The world is only used to the left in the traditional media.
2. The costs rising all center around fuel costs. Something needs to be done about this and this does not involve the government adding addition taxes to out full. We tried that in the seventies and it was a disaster. The government currently makes more per gallon the oil companies and the government is not drilling, barreling or refining. Also a strong reduction in spending needs to happen. Over the last few years spending has continued to go up. This is a problem on both sides. The congress has been under democratic control and the spending is now out of control however, Bush is letting these bills through and is not vetoing.
3. Sarah Palin does have a record. As a person from Chicago, I will let you know Barack Obama does not have an equivalent record. Palin has stood up strong for her state cut spending, not just projected spending… she actually reduced the current spending. She cleaned up her own party. She is head of a state that has 1/5 of the nations energy. That is no small undertaking. It is also a sad sign that Barack Obama has to compare himself to the bottom of the McCain Palin ticket.”
mam2263 | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
Well the only problem with your “Clinton did it too” (which btw he didn’t exactly, he didn’t leave his now physically altered spouse who was loyal during his capture for a hotsy beer heiress), is that Clinton is not running for president, but McCain is. Also, Clinton’s indiscretion (at least the Lewinsky one) did not occur before he ran, the other indiscretions were not widely known at that time. McCain’s wife dumping was common knowledge. At some point, Republicans are going to have to stop using Clinton as a moral compass for their own politician’s moral shortcomings.
Jenna | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply
Ok, to the “twin” (I have no twin, and the liberal version is never good ;^))
You replied to almost everything in one post…that is going to take some time to break down in response, so I don’t know if I can do that all today, but you have several errors in your post, for sure.
First, you need to read Darren’s post to understand the truth about Fox News…the stuff you posted about Fox being exclusively “conservative” is ridiculous.
Yes, they have numerous conservative COMMENTATORS (as WELL as liberal ones), but the NEWSPEOPLE simply present the facts and let you decide what you believe.
The problem about all of NBC and MSNBC (and almost every other “news network” is that they ACT like they are presenting the news for you, but they are trying to persuade you by their COMMENTARY (and they often withhold the facts that might lead you to believe something that they don’t agree with).
You also need to read my post about the Electoral College and how THEY elect the US President…it seems you may not understand how it works.
TWIN, you wrote in your huge post the following:
“Go Science and Education! Last I checked they’d contributed more in the past couple hundred years than all these imaginary gods people are constantly deferring decisions to.”
TWIN, I must remind you that last I read, something like 80 or so percent of Americans believe in that God that you call “imaginary.” That is a HUGE number in ANY kind of democracy, anywhere.
(Also, America would not be ANYWHERE as good as it has been if it weren’t for the Christians who settled this country and designed it’s freedoms and government).
In addition, those of us who do believe in God ALSO believe that God CREATED science and education. (PLEASE remember, one of the FOUNDATIONAL assumptions of modern science is that NOTHING ever comes from nothing. So, either you have eternal hydrogen molecules or you have an eternal God who created the molecules and used them to create everything else. I think it is more foolish on the face value to believe that you are more educated because you believe that everything came from nothing or that molecular matter is eternal as compared to believing in a Creator God - BTW - MOST ALL modern science came STRAIGHT from Christians like Newton, Pascal, and MANY others who were seeking to know the Christian God better…Einstein even said that he believed in God more as time went on).
TWIN, then you wrote:
“is abortion really the biggest issue of our time?”
Well, I have to say that IF you believe abortion is murder, then you HAVE to believe it is the biggest issue of our time (unless you believe humans are not important, in that case, Hitler would be your hero, right?)
Millions of women have been lied to, having been told that a baby in utero is just a glob of tissue, so they have let their children be killed. Did you read that? MILLIONS of babies have been killed in ignorance…that MUST be very important. Many women who have